Notice on a slight format change:

Except for July 2012, these are mostly a collection of current devotional notes.

July 2012 is a re-write of old quiet times. My second child was born Nov 11, 1987 with multiple birth defects. I've been re-reading my QT notes from that time in my life, and have included them here. They cover the time before the birth and the few years immediately after the birth. They are tagged "historical." I added new insights and labeled them: ((TODAY, dd mmm yy)).

Thursday, July 7, 2016

QT 7 Jul 16, 1 Tim 5:20, Does God hate unbelieving sinners?

1 Tim 5:20 As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear.

NOTE: For the believer, we know that nothing can separate us from the love of God. But God takes a strong line against persistent sin. For the believer, he acts as a Father, and promises discipline. Hebrews is a story of God's discipline toward believers who were discarding the faith. Yes, the discipline can lead all the way to physical death, as described in the Hebrew passages talking about fire, the coming burning down of Jerusalem that was fulfilled in AD 70, for those believers who chose to identify with their former faith instead of their new faith. They did not lose their salvation, but they lost any opportunity to bring glory to God through service.

But what about the unbeliever, the person who has never asked Jesus to be their savior (to take their sin upon his body). Well, we know that Jesus loves the world, which is a slightly different thing to say than God loves sinners. And we know that the first mention of emotional pain in the bible is when God is "pained" because of the sin of the people on earth (sin caused pain in God's heart), and he decides to destroy most of mankind in a flood. In this latter case, the issue may be that God knows how destructive is sin and how we fall so far short of who we could be, that it pains him to see ourselves so blinded. We also know from Psalms and Proverbs, that God not only hates some very specific sin but in certain cases, the sinner, specifically murders or those who pervert justice or liars. Still Psalms, a book about the emotional heart of a believer, and Proverbs, a book about general principles of truth, are hard places to build a theology. But Jesus' words alone should cause us to worry, especially when he pronounces woe to the person who introduces others to sin, suggesting that they would be better off with a millstone around their neck and thrown into the sea. So clearly there is specific actions against those unbelievers who through their sin fight against God. Another example would be Jesus' words toward Judas after his betrayal.

But this could be a very painful subject, especially for the mother of a possibly unsaved child who is engaged in persistent sin. Who would want to hear that God hates their child which they still love so much?

We are not God's children (unless we have been born again), we are God's creation. When we believe, we are adopted into the family and become God's children, but we are not his children otherwise. Does he love us? Yes, because he loves the world and we are the most important part of that creation. Does he hate sinners? Well, yes, at least in certain instances. But what gives us hope? That no matter how badly we have sinned, his love is only a cry away. And then Romans tells us that nothing can then separate us from his love ever again.

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